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carnefex
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| 01/13/2008 11:16 PM |
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As time ticks on, it appears to me that this truth movement has lost its momentum/direction. Yes, I agree that people discussing these issues and events are indeed, a great thing but what end has all of this actually reached? I am very much in support of the truth movement, as a preface, but after all the talk and debate, what's next, what do we hope to accomplish? A few questions:
a) With all the video's, websites, public /private discussions; Beside the obvious spreading of awareness/information what has been gained? So 90% of the population believes 911 was an inside job and doesn't support the war in Iraq (and probably soon to be Iran. Take the current Strait of Hormuz incident as being very similar to the Gulf of Tonkin lie, this of course comes after the Iranian WMD claims/threats. We are lied to over and over, but people don't seem to care enough to take action.
b) What good is voting if everyone running for election is from the same cloth? Yes, we can all see mass media is controlled by corporations that want to serve their own interests, so why buy into this dog and pony show? No matter what happens, as you can see every party will claim 'vote fraud' and the absence of trust for the electoral process grows. What does this all leave us with, no matter who we have as our next president, do any of us really expect any change? The oligarchy that is our current/true system will not change, just the puppet sitting at the desk in the Oval Office. Why vote if it means nothing, if it dosent count, if it can be manipulated?
c) Key figures in the Truth Movement, Alex Jones, David Ray Griffin, Webster Tarpley, Jim Marrs, etc. all have done a lot of work and a great job in getting the word out about Fema camps and Gunderson Prisoner Boxcars but now that we know, what do we do with this information? Lets say that 100% of the American populous is on the side of the Truth Movement... what does this equate to? There are mock tea parties and executive orders making these protest illegal. I can go on and on about the Patriot Act, wire taps and loss of Habeas Corpus, the Geneva Convention, CIA Black Sites, Americans accepting torture, but where does all this talk get us? I'm not promoting riots, or revolution here ... but what does the Truth Movement hope to gain? We all know that the Gov. is corrupt what do we hope to do about it, what can we do about it?
Google some of the things I have mentioned above, tie it all together .. and you will probably reach the same conclusion myself and many of my friends have; That the American Dream is becoming a nightmare. Now ISP want to control what's accessible on the Internet, this was mentioned during the last CES, Google it. Why do they want to control the information on the Internet, for your security. Soon, we may not be able to have these conversations. Then what? Then we subscribe to the new national duty, get in line and spend money we don't have on credit, the modern form of slavery. There are too many instances of corruption and identifiable acts of dishonesty our Gov. is feeding us as citizens to include in this blog entry. Do you have a good feeling about the future of our country? ...even with the 60% decline in the value of the dollar since Bush became president. It seems as though the line in the sand has been drawn and your either going to accept all of the things going on and not have any problems or .. well or what, what choice do we have?
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doyouknowyourdead
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| 01/14/2008 6:16 AM |
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yes, we hear you. we are asking ourselves the same questions. especially when it comes to alex jones and the truthers rallying for ron paul. it seems like these "truthers," while skeptical of nearly all of the things that go on in this constructed reality ie vote rigging, 9/11, haarp, they are STILL naively placing their hopes for justice on ron paul. is that not a major contradiction of beliefs? we all know that puppet governments are a reality, yet we are donating time and money to see that we get ron paul into the puppet show. the problem goes way farther then politics and merely introducing a new president is not going to solve the problem. i wish these truth activists would stick to their initial cause before the introduction of ron paul into this game. it seems like it is way easier to pick a guy in the system then make up the solutions from outside of it all together. if we (the grassroots) can raise 16 mil or whatever it was for ron paul in such a short amount of time, why can´t we do this for ourselves, outside of a presidential race? the problem will only be truly addressed when we start seeing that the political system is entirely unjust and obsolete, that it functions merely to control, to hush, and to carry out the puropses of the private government. is the idea of the truth movement just to "get justice" with a ron paul figure, or do we not need a radical overhaul of the whole world system altogether? is the truth movement just becoming today´s latest underground trend?? it was COOL to be a commie back in the day, remember. recommended for all paul supporters and truthers alike: george orwell´s the road to wigan pier |
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Hawk Administrator
 Truth Seeker Posts:43


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| 01/14/2008 2:28 PM |
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I believe we can do all these things and more. That is a goal, we have seen how the 9/11 truth community, Ron Paul Revolution and also the anti-war movement are capable of raising both money and awareness on massive scale. We need to work and co-op all these different factions. Whether we win or loss in one area isn't important, it is how many people are being exposed to this information and are willing to fight anyway they know how. I welcome the de-centralized approach to all this, it seems disjointed and un-effective at times but in reality the movement is growing exponentially as result. Just 4 years ago it looked hopeless now I am impressed the sheer magnitude of the movement. For example we are bringing out the Loose Change crew for a meet the producers screening of final cut. We have 2 major venues, and our local mainstream radio broadcasters will all be interviewing them. Peter Boyles, Lewis and Floor Wax, Uncle Nasty, Jay Marvin of Air America are all tripping over one another to get these guys on their show. That would have been an impossibility just a couple of years back. So we have to measure things by our success, it is to easy to look at all the short comings with in the movement and loss hope. |
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Everything I am, is wrapped up on the fact that I was born a freeman, and if I am ever to allow government the opportunity to take away these freedoms than everything I am goes with it. |
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carnefex
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| 01/16/2008 2:01 PM |
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I posted this message on another blog I review from time to time, the prisonplanet.tv forum. Believe it or not this message got me banned from using their forum. To say the least I was very surprised, I didn't receive notification, just the message, "you are banned from this forum" when I tried to log in. It appears to me that any mention or question of Ron Paul really isn't welcomed by Alex Jones. I fully support Ron Paul, but to place all your hopes in one person seems to vest too much risk in reaching a desirable end for the truth movement. As you can see from the message posted here, I don't speak poorly of Ron Paul in any regard but none the less, I was stilled banned from their forums with the absence of any explanation. I canceled my membership and I want to say that I am surprised that their moderator banned me for asking for peoples opinions and ideas. Its seems very hypocritical to be banned from a site that claims to purport free speech and such. I'll still review that site for news and information, but to be honest, this has really caused me to question what Alex Jones and his teams objectives or motivation may be.
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Hawk Administrator
 Truth Seeker Posts:43


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| 01/16/2008 6:04 PM |
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Dude that's just gay.... I have heard horror stories from everybody that has posted at Alex's site. I am a long time subscriber to prisonplanet.tv and posted in their private forums for a little bit and was suprised they made the switch to the public forums.
It seems anyone who posts anything anti-Ron Paul or Alex Jones is banned, which equates to being the very thing they are fighting against, censorship and cyber-tyranny. Those moderators need to go IMHO.
Feel free to post your perspective and thoughts here. 
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Everything I am, is wrapped up on the fact that I was born a freeman, and if I am ever to allow government the opportunity to take away these freedoms than everything I am goes with it. |
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Raven Administrator
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| 01/16/2008 11:59 PM |
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Wow those moderators are really costing Alex some money. We all know that Alex and staff are very busy so I imagine that they just appointed some forum people to be moderators because the staff doesn't have time to moderate. Unfortunately they are probably unaware that the moderators have become forum fascists. I've talked to other people who have canceled their subscription after being banned also. I don't blame you.
I agree Ron Paul is one tool in the battle and we shouldn't put all our hope in him. Even if he goes no further he's done some major NWO butt kicking, more so than any one could of hoped for. If he bows out soon then all those Ron Paul supporters need to pick up another tool and fight.
I know a lot of people out there are apathetic. I personally believe that I have no choice but to fight after learning the truth. In 5 or 10 years if things continue unchanged, what is going to be the point of living? No freedom, your force fed GM food, crammed into a compact city, given monthly vaccinations, probably even RFID chipped so you can't travel freely, your kids will be raised by the government in locked down schools while being video taped in the bathrooms, the fiat dollars will have George W Bush's face on it, the only books your aloud to read are approved by Henry Kissinger first, there's so much fluoride in the water you'll need Q-tips to clean the aluminum foil out of your ears, and the same people will run everything except they will have a jr. or a roman numeral after their name. And then finally when they squeeze the life out of you, you get to be recycled into something like Soylent Green. Sounds like paradise huh?
Even if there's a small chance of that happening that's all I need to get motivated, unfortunately I think there's a good chance of all that happening if we take no steps to stop it. And I don't want to live in that or raise a family in that so my choice is easy, fight like my life depends on it, cause it probably does. I think most people don't know the truth or aren't quite convinced that it's as true as we say it is. So we have to do everything to convince them that it is true. If that doesn't work move on to the next person. All we need is a very small percentage of extremely active people and we can pave our own path and subpoena who we want to a grand jury..! |
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Lady Blue
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| 09/09/2008 7:27 PM |
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There are some very intriguing concepts put forth in this thread. There is not much more I would add, as my thoughts have been well covered by each and every post here. The problems that exist are well defined. However, what about the solutions? We have focused so much energy on spreading the info to awaken the masses, that we forgot a balance must be maintained.
What does one in the Movement always tell the newcomer when asked where do I begin? Do we not tell them......with yourself?
We prepare our bumper music with quotes from The Network; I'm mad as hell!......and I'm not going to take it anymore. So onward we march, into the streets; with our signs; with our repetitious chants; only to be shot in the face with pepper spray. It is true, Revolution is Calling! Just as Rome fell from it's own internal evil, so shall this saga be.
But what of the Phoenix that arrises from the ash of the wrong thought of a yester year? Is it not time to address the course of a new day? To achieve the balance now? What have we done this day to change ourselves? Surely there is more to be addressed than the wars that rage and why they rage them. Surely there is value in learning from our elders like we once did.
We must look back at what has worked in the past! We must bring these things back to life within our own beings. Can you stare at the seed of a tomatoe and know the energy that exist and the power behind it use? One would be wise to grasp this knowledge and very soon! What happened to the barn raising philosophies that once ended with the community pot-luck block party? Answer; we allowed them to reprogram us into the; .......I want it all and I want it now! Well, we got it all right.
This is the futures food for thought: Yes, we must carry the signs. We must be seen in the streets raged against an evil that holds the power to annillate the entire human species. We must push to awaken the sleeper within the people through the printed proof of Truth. However, we also must unite, once again, in the beauty of simplicity. We have won our rights to our high tech gadgets, now let us take back our humanity as well!
‘All learning is remembering’
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This is the path of homo destructus. Not only has destructus confabulated the greatest and most destructive killing machinery ever known, our populace has been lead away from its heart and spirit, caught up in a twisted faerie glamour which casts brutality as love, bad as good, things as important, disease as happiness, war as peace, disrespect as cool, willfulness as right, and slavery as freedom. This Pacificus Isn’t Fooled! |
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Hawk Administrator
 Truth Seeker Posts:43


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| 09/10/2008 11:49 AM |
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My personal thoughts on whether or not we are successful as a movement lies in our ability to identify the enemy, and then come up with strategies that directly impact their operation.
As much fun as marching in the streets is and handing out DVD's telling people to wake from their media induced slumber this is only one front to an ever expanding war the NWO is running against the free people of the world.
I think a much more direct approach needs to me taken, we need to organize and sue the criminals tying them up in court and ruining them financially, we need to organize boycotts of any and all institutions that facilitate the NWO, and we need to do this now in a non-centralized fashion.
These people only understand one thing, the bottom line so we need to focus our efforts there. This movement is huge there is no reason we can't hurt these criminals bad.
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Everything I am, is wrapped up on the fact that I was born a freeman, and if I am ever to allow government the opportunity to take away these freedoms than everything I am goes with it. |
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mr_anderson
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| 09/16/2008 5:23 AM |
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These people are the law and are the economy.... how do you propose prosecuting them? And also getting pass their Mercenary security to arrest them??
Exposing them will make them stop as their actions will become known and useless.... who knows what then, they'll just enact martial law in most countries and leave the UN forces to quell dissent and wipe us out.
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Hawk Administrator
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| 09/17/2008 1:18 AM |
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It won't be easy... but the first order of business is to build criminal rap sheets on each individual in question. Then proscuters can step up and take cases on the most credible infomation.
So teams of researchers will hand off info to prosecuters and just start dragging the NWO through the media and courts. Hundreds of filings will fall through, but when one sticks we run a moneybomb campaigne to fund the trial and prosecute say 'Dick Cheney'. Make it a massively promoted campaign.
Really there are folks already doing it, we find these courageous lawyers who have represented the Family Members and we just back them with a volunteer community willing to fund and raise support for their efforts. It has to be mega public too.
One thing about the NWO is if they have to they will burn people to protect the system. So it only takes a couple of key individuals to fold like a Cheney, Ashcroft, Rice, etc... and they will back off because a conspiracy was played out on the t.v. for all the sheep to see.
We discredit the 9/11 conspiritars then they have nothing to enact martial law on. The Al-Queda myth has been debunked and shown to be a facade. If they have no "real" terrorists they are screwed nothing to dupe the people with.
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Everything I am, is wrapped up on the fact that I was born a freeman, and if I am ever to allow government the opportunity to take away these freedoms than everything I am goes with it. |
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Lady Blue
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| 09/18/2008 3:58 PM |
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Hey Mr. A~~welcome to The Alliance!
These people are the law and are the economy....
True..True~~~ but that is only because we allowed them that Power. It is time to take it back now!
how do you propose prosecuting them?
wery..wery karefully ~grin~
And also getting pass their Mercenary security to arrest them??
I do believe Rome is Burning once again. They are already Circling Their wagons my Friend, and shooting inside. They are in their own self-destruction right now, struggling to see who will get the remains of their own fouled up plan.
Exposing them will make them stop as their actions will become known and useless...
yes, it will..........trim your wicks, polish your globes up...........we are about to light some fires here! |
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This is the path of homo destructus. Not only has destructus confabulated the greatest and most destructive killing machinery ever known, our populace has been lead away from its heart and spirit, caught up in a twisted faerie glamour which casts brutality as love, bad as good, things as important, disease as happiness, war as peace, disrespect as cool, willfulness as right, and slavery as freedom. This Pacificus Isn’t Fooled! |
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